Curse

Kosman · Sep 15, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

This is the build I use for my monk on PvP. It works pretty good, try it if you haven´t

[Patient Spirit][Word of Healing][Dismiss Condition][Guardian][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Aegis][Cure Hex]

I modified it from PvXwiki´s WoH build, more details and info:
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo/any_WoH_Monk

Tyla · Sep 15, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Depends what PvP you are talking about here. That, and GoLE is a bit of a waste on a skill bar with only one high cost skill, in my opinion anyway. I'd rather run Shield Bash.

White Lies · Sep 15, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Go with shield bash :P
Everytime u throw it up a war/derv/sin swears loudly and ragequits

~Lies

ender6 · Sep 15, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

He must be talking GvG/HA (8 man) anything without a 2 monk backline and that build is pretty much doomed.

And yes I think Kosman forgot prot spirit.

I might add (to follow up on tyla) if you are going 4 man (RA/TA) bring some sort of stances/defensive skills. Current meta favors shield bash paired with defensive stance--but of course there are many options to choose from.

Kosman · Sep 15, 2008, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Yes, this build works especially good on GvG, aegis can of course be exchanged with shield bash or equal skill for example in RA or TA.

Gift3d · Sep 15, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

I assume you're talking about RA. In which case, there's at least 1 ranger talentlessly spamming [savage shot][distracting shot][punishing shot][disrupting shot] on me continuously, praying he gets an important skill. So i stick to all 1/4 casting skills except for guardian.

A well-timed guardian is greater than any of those monks with [bonetti's defense][defensive stance][disciplined stance][shield bash][shield stance] all on their bar. Most of the melee in RA are either wars spamming shock every 10 seconds or shadow prison sins (lol?), so that's a joke.

Aegis would work well for something with more than 4 people on a team such as GvG, but i could never in my life monk for 40 minutes straight while my warriors pressure out their warriors without chewing my WoH finger off.

-Lotus- · Sep 15, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Kosman

[Patient Spirit][Word of Healing][Dismiss Condition][Guardian][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Aegis][Cure Hex]

this needs a big prot, and RoF. plus guardian and aegis really shouldn't be on the same bar, try shielding hands.

Rhamia Darigaz · Sep 15, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

bars with 8 skills r gud

Tyla · Sep 15, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Kosman

Yes, this build works especially good on GvG, aegis can of course be exchanged with shield bash or equal skill for example in RA or TA.

Ahok.

I personally prefer SoA over Guardian though, to be honest. The reduction comes up fast, but the only problem with SoA is it's iffy 1 second cast, it's pretty baity for interrupts in my opinion. Also I prefer Veil over Cure for hex removal, because Veil allows me to pre-veil and get rid of nasty hexes at the right times, while making their Mesmer / Snares take longer to cast skills.

JDRyder · Sep 16, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

this needs a big prot, and RoF. plus guardian and aegis really shouldn't be on the same bar, try shielding hands.

ummm, Woh + patient= win
and RC + Rof = win
and shield hands = phail
and guardian + aegis is fine, on a RC monk.

AnonTerror · Sep 16, 2008, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Ahok.

I personally prefer SoA over Guardian though, to be honest.

You must be joking.

Snow Bunny · Sep 16, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I personally prefer SoA over Guardian though, to be honest. The reduction comes up fast, but the only problem with SoA is it's iffy 1 second cast, it's pretty baity for interrupts in my opinion.

What the fck are you talking about?

Tyla, do you ever monk? The only time I've ever run SoA on a WoH bar is when I forgot to switch it out for Guardian from my PvE bar or when we expected facing petsmite.

Guardian is superior, especially in old split situations.

I have no clue where you're getting this shit, and GoLE is superior in a GvG situation. His build is actually fine at 7 skills, missing [protective spirit] for the 8th, and I've run Cure many times simply because it works so well, especially on splits with FC water mesmers. In those situations it's often superior.

You need to take a step back, and evaluate what you're saying.

To the OP: In a GvG situation, [guardian] for [aegis], and slot in Infuse.

JDRyder · Sep 16, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

umm how did i missed what tyla said?? dude wtf hes talking about pvp not pve..........

Tyla · Sep 16, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

I understand it's PvP. I just prefer SoA over Guardian in a WoH bar if it comes to the Guardian / WoH decision, PvE or PvP.

As for GoLE, I generally don't like running that skill anywhere at all.

No, I'm not saying SoA > Guardian, I'm saying I prefer to run SoA instead of Guardian. Heck, I'd even prefer to run Blessed Light in this day and age, over Word of Healing or Healer's Boon while playing on an 8-man team. HA mind you, ever since TAM stopped GvG'ing (And I've never really Monked in GvG) I've not been GvG'ing at all.

AnonTerror · Sep 17, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I understand it's PvP. I just prefer SoA over Guardian in a WoH bar if it comes to the Guardian / WoH decision, PvE or PvP.

As for GoLE, I generally don't like running that skill anywhere at all.

No, I'm not saying SoA > Guardian, I'm saying I prefer to run SoA instead of Guardian. Heck, I'd even prefer to run Blessed Light in this day and age, over Word of Healing or Healer's Boon while playing on an 8-man team. HA mind you, ever since TAM stopped GvG'ing (And I've never really Monked in GvG) I've not been GvG'ing at all.

Right, because WoH is run in HA. Not just that but Guardian is among the best skills in the game period, there is not a single competent prot/hybrid bar that does not carry it.

Yichi · Sep 17, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

pretty sure this exact build has only been posted 7 or 8 thousand times already...

i could be off by 1 or 2 times though...

obsidian ectoplasm · Sep 17, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

everyone has there personal prfernce with skills such as SoA and Gurdian

i prefere gurdain for obvious reasons but SoA is underrated

Tyla · Sep 17, 2008, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by AnonTerror

Right, because WoH is run in HA. Not just that but Guardian is among the best skills in the game period, there is not a single competent prot/hybrid bar that does not carry it.

I thought I stated that I didn't state I was saying either was superior? Obviously Guardian comes out on top, I just prefer SoA.

PS: I prefer to run WoH instead of HB when it comes to HA anyway.

Spazzer · Oct 05, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

This bar is very close to what we run very often on our WoH in GvG. The last slot would be Protective Spirit.

Our WoH last night used Cure Hex instead of Holy Veil, and I believe that was more of a comfort issue. For my personal opinion, I like Holy Veil for its ability to assist the midline in shutting down the hexers on the enemy team, but I also recognize that prolonged use can hurt big-time. For answering the FC water problem, I believe I really like Spotless Mind even over that for the fact that it's 1/4s cast, doesn't steal energy, and is fire-and-forget. When it comes to casting times, 1s is a very long time to sit in something that is Healing linked (pblock). Besides, downtime on the WoH means more openings for spikes.

Aegis costs five energy while you are under the effects of Glyph. A PLeak will not remove 35 energy. Also, don't cast Aegis when you know you're going to be interrupted. That's just dumb. Aegis is an amazing skill, and it leaves a good excuse to have an excellent energy masking skill on your bar. This, allong with a 25 energy shield set, makes you an incredibly hard target when the other team is running double debil and esurge.

There is no Guardian/WoH decision. Guardian is attatched to WoH as surely as Patient Spirit is.

moko · Oct 07, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

WoH, Patient, Infuse, Guardian, Dismiss, Veil, Aegis, Gole

ye, i'm not kidding, no ps. :P i've been thinking about it for a long time, and one of the monks i respect a lot has the same view, so i'm gonna go with that from now on. ^_^

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PS: I prefer to run WoH instead of HB when it comes to HA anyway.

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I'm saying I prefer to run SoA instead of Guardian

and you know what? if you prefer things which are far less effective, you shouldn't post at all.

not so long ago, you attacked cataphract because he "prefers" to stay in one weapon set in PvE, or whatever. less effective? for sure, not so good advice for people that are learning? for sure. does it make your posts look pathetic? yup!

the only reason to run SoA is on your PROT if your heal has guardian and you aren't sure if you're going to screw off eachother's guardian.